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daveg456	No More Hosting Regionals		Lead	[-]
Member Posts: 1351 06/01/09 10:11 AM	Tags : None That is unless you have an AD on the selection committee and your name is CSF. After last year's selection committee embarrassment with the ridiculous LB regional and this year's debacle with UCI getting hosed, you have to think that if you are a So Cal team, would you ever want to host a regional again? God, these NCAA tools are are like Wall Street and Washington, they don't even try to hide it, it is so bad. Now wouldn't it be ironic if Virginia won it all just like Fresneck did coming out of the loaded LB regional last year. A friggin complete joke and if I was UCI, I would be pissed. Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein
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TitanMike	Re: No More Hosting Regionals	#1	[url]	[-]
Member Posts: 194 06/01/09 10:17 AM	Give me a break. Brian Quinn has been on the committee for a couple of years and yet since Fullerton began hosting a regional, it's lost only once at home. And to be fair the 2000 team wasn't that good. We've gotten all kinds of teams, including Arizona State twice, at home and yet we win. Quit making excuses for your teams. To me, playing at home is an advantage or certainly should be. I guess it depends on the team and how much you take advantage of it. Fullerton has had to play from the losers bracket at least twice, including last year when we lost to UCLA on Saturday and came back to beat them Sunday and then Monday. As far as Long Beach, do they still have a baseball program? And UCI, well I read about their Saturday game and all the errors. Was that caused by the home field? Look, playing at home should be a good thing, but if you can't take advantage, then that's your problem.
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TitanCzar		#2	[url]	[-]
Member Posts: 2985 06/01/09 10:18 AM	Typical talk of a loser. Win the games and shut the hell up.
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daveg456		#3	[url]	[-]
Member Posts: 1352 06/01/09 10:44 AM	TitanMike wrote: And UCI, well I read about their Saturday game and all the errors. Was that caused by the home field? Look, playing at home should be a good thing, but if you can't take advantage, then that's your problem. I know UCI committed all those errors on Sat but they also didn't score any runs so they deserved to lose. But my point is that they could have not hosted and had a way better chance of advancing than what they got by hosting Virginia. Can you say that they would not have had a better chance of winning had they been sent somewhere else as a #1 seed and the host as a #2? I mean Virginia just won the ACC TOURNAMENT so you know they have the arms for a tournament type format and they proved it this weekend and for the NCAA to blatantly do that to the #1 ranked team in the country is insane. But not only was it a slap in the face to UCI, it was also an insult to UVA. Having the credentials to host but instead getting shipped out to the west coast and not only in the regional with the #1 team but also the #1 college pitcher says it all. Now wouldn't it be ironic if they go on to win the CWS out of the most stacked regional field like Fresneck did it last year? But Virginia really impressed me and if they make it to the CWS, they have to be one of the front runners. Now knowing how the east coast biased NCAA is, you have to think they had a little bit of knowledge about how good they are so this regional just does not make sense at all. Unless...... That is unless you factor in another equation. The only ones that loved this regional were college baseball fans and ESPNU. Hmmm. #1 Ranked Team, #1 Pitcher some say ever, Defending National Champions, ACC Champs, East Coast viewership, Tony Gwynn, etc. You think the committeee would do this on purpose for ESPN? Naw. P.S. I don't remember but was the LB regional televised last year? Maybe when a non-CSF BW team hosting regionals gets hosed, we should just call it the ESPN/BW sacrificial lambs but it's good for ratings regionals. From BA. Virginia's coaches, players and fans have been waiting for this for so long, and it's easy to feel happy for such a likable bunch. Especially after the ACC champion Cavs got such a raw deal from the Division I baseball committee, having to travel to the West Coast to face San Diego State sensation Stephen Strasburg in their first game, then having to beat the nation's No. 1-ranked team twice on its home field. http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/college/?p=1658 Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein Last Edited By: daveg456 06/01/09 11:12 AM. Edited 2 times.
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SocalBrett	West Coast Regions	#4	[url]	[-]
Member Posts: 985 06/01/09 10:44 AM	Usually, West Coast Regions are tough. I think CSF may have had an easier region this year than they deserved. But, UCI likewise should have had an easy region as well. Given the west coast bias in the RPI, you need a special type of season to get a national seed or host. When we have that opportunity, we have to submit our bid and do our best to take care of it on the field. By hosting regionals, it should help our program in the long run. It creates another opportunity for UCI to sell their big givers (and some small) on contributing to building what UCI baseball needs to be successful. For UCI, that means expanded seating, probably another structure behind home plate for the media and some suite space (like Newkirk suite, but with a full view). In addition, it gives UCI exposure to the baseball recruits, which are predominantly from California.
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TitanCzar	Regional Worth WC Schools	#5	[url]	[-]
Member Posts: 2986 06/01/09 11:10 AM	Another issue is that not many west coast schools can host a regional. Of the 9 BW schools, three have hosted and UCI did it for the first time this year. Any other regional worthy stadium in the BW? Stanford, OSU, USC have all hosted in the Pac-10. UCLA's stadium couldn't host that SR a few years back, that is why they played at CSF. and I know for damn sure they didn't do anything to improve that stadium. Any other schools in the Pac-10 able to host a regional? Same for the WCC, WAC and MWC.
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TitanMike	West Coast Regions	#6	[url]	[-]
Member Posts: 195 06/01/09 11:11 AM	Sure, Fullerton might have gotten a little bit easier regional than UCI. To me, the main difference was Gonzaga vs. Virginia. And Fullerton was helped that Utah beat Connzaga Sunday. I just have no sympathy for people complaining about their draw, especially from Long Beach. But Socal Brett is right about the help UCI did get. I saw the attendance and the numbers were quite good. In fact., they were better than Fullerton's until the end. Fullerton pretty much averaged 2,200 to 2,500 for its games (disappointingly low) and about 1,200 for the non-Fullerton games. UCI had better than 3,000 in its first game and still well over 2,000 in its next games. It did have only 1,800 for Sunday. And the non-UCI games had about 1,600 or so. That's a lot of people who most likely never saw a UCI game. Hopefully, they'll come back next year and UCI will continue to grow its program. I still think UCI needs to get more stands instead of forcing people to sit on the grass. But I'm sure that will come.
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TitanMike	Regional Worth WC Schools	#7	[url]	[-]
Member Posts: 196 06/01/09 11:20 AM	USC has hosted in the past and I believe can still do so. Of course their program probably isn't good enough to get their. Pepperdine also hosted, but I'm not sure they can under the current rules. I believe that Riverside could host if they had a good enough year. San Diego State also can host. Despite all the concerns, UCI certainly showed it can draw well enough. I'm not sure, but my guess is they made more money than Fullerton on ticket sales. UCI's attendance was generally higher and I believe they were charging more too. The latter is hard to say because the grass tickets were less expensive than Fullerton's. But they certainly did well.
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Nacho Man.ucsbgauchos	Dave is absolutely right	#8	[url]	[-]
Member Posts: 70 06/01/09 11:29 AM	Quinn got taken care of by his buddies ... It was pretty blatant, we could see it even from here in Santa Barbara, where we never go to Regionals ... Fullerton got a much easier Regional than Irvine, even though Irvine was No. 1 in the nation. Virginia, which could be the best team in the country, had the biggest reason to complain, but of course they're feeling too good right now to complain about anything. The NCAA Selection Committee is and always has been a bunch of good ol' boys, taking care of themselves, and they don't care who knows or complains about it.
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Zot95		#9	[url]	[-]
Member Posts: 708 06/01/09 12:18 PM	TitanMike wrote: Sure, Fullerton might have gotten a little bit easier regional than UCI. C'mon now... look I didn't really mind the Irvine regional, because of the TV and exposure and the non-UCI game on Friday was going to draw really well. But a "little" bit easier? The #7 team in the polls versus two teams who "also received votes?" I think the quality of the Fullerton regional was underrated (Georgia Southern and Gonzaga are both under rated), but let's not get carried away. (The Irvine regional) did have only 1,800 for Sunday. That was a little disappointing to me. Wondering if the 8pm start on a school night (I'm talking for little kids, not college age "kids") had an impact. It didn't seem like there were as many families with little ones Sunday night. I still think UCI needs to get more stands instead of forcing people to sit on the grass. But I'm sure that will come. Don't know if you knew this, but a large section of bleachers (on the top of the berm) was available to people with "grass" seats. The naming of that section was unfortunate, as it certainly gives the impression that you have to sit/stand on grass. For sure for the Sunday night game though, nobody had to sit on grass that did not want to. But for sure on the Friday night game, yeah, there was not a seat for everyone in the house. I think UCI does need to continue to upgrade, as the facilities seemed very much stretched to their limits for this regional. I hope that they do not get rid of much of the berm, as I know it is very popular with families, especially on those Sunday day games.
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Vit D		#10	[url]	[-]
Member Posts: 377 06/01/09 1:01 PM	I think that there are many reasons that the attendance for yesterday's game was a little bit lower than the previous games. The start time is one of the primary reasons for this. Most people with young kids or who have to work early in the morining may have skipped this. I got home close to midnight, which has made this work day suck. Not only that, but it was the second game in one day. It is quite a haul for someone to sit at a baseball stadium and watch baseball for almost 6 or 7 hours straight. I would not blame anyone who sat at the marathon of a game vs SDSU and didn't want to sit through another game. Another factor is that one would have to assume that Virgina fans did not travel as well as the SDSU and Fresno St fans, which also equates to less fans in the stadium. Lastly, there was the fact that UCI had lost on Saturday which took a little wind out of the sails of even the most rabid Anteater baseball fan. Even with all these factors, I was still a little surprised by how few fans were there last night, but definitely not shocked. In regards to the "grass berm," I have to say that I like it. It is enjoyable to walk up with your lawn chair and sit down where you like. It is much less cramped than the average place with assigned seating. I understand that we may have to get rid of more and more of this area as the program expands, but for now it is very nice. D
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FullertonBaseballFan		#11	[url]	[-]
Member Posts: 980 06/01/09 2:31 PM	The Sun night game of a regional always draws less if the home team lost on Sat and has to play two on Sun. Same thing happened at Fullerton in '05 and '08. But, if the home team wins both like Fullerton did each time, they come back in droves for the Mon winner take all game. Fullerton drew a little around 2200 and had a sellout in '05 and last year drew around 1900 and 3000.
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Towknie		#12	[url]	[-]
Member Posts: 282 06/01/09 7:06 PM	Two things: 1) We lost. Virginia had the better team this weekend. No ifs and or buts. They beat us. If we were truly the #1 team in the country, playing at home, we should have stepped up and won it, but we didn't. The very things I remember mentioning as concerns in the beginning of the season, shaky infield and questionable pitching depth, did indeed come back to haunt us in the end. Sucks to be us, but take it like a man and move on. 2) As they say, there is no such thing as bad publicity. Maybe the regional was stacked against us. Maybe Scott Boras, Steven Strasburg, and Tony Gwynn were the big attractions, but the bottom line is that UCI was plastered all over national television for the whole weekend. That's got to be a good thing. I live out here in the second circle of hell, otherwise known as Texas, and people are starting to recognize my UCI hat. That's a good thing. It's a great time to be an Anteater. Wasn't our year to get to Omaha, but we laid some great foundation work to build on this year.
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gauchoadam		#13	[url]	[-]
Member Posts: 100 06/02/09 8:48 AM	I live out here in the second circle of hell, otherwise known as Texas I'll gladly trade you spots and move-out to Texas. I've been trying to move out there for the past year or so. I guess its true, one man's garbage is another man's treasure. I watched a few of the games and the only thing I kept on thinking was why can't UCSB put some resources into a nice field, seating, food etc. I kept on hearing on the coverage how great the food was etc. I have nothing but respect for UCI baseball right now. They're doing things right and will likely continue to in the future. I'd like to visit a game sometime soon and check-out the facility as it appears top notch.
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No More Hosting Regionals	06/01/09 10:11 AM	daveg456
Re: No More Hosting Regionals	06/01/09 10:17 AM	TitanMike
Re: No More Hosting Regionals	06/01/09 10:44 AM	daveg456
Re: No More Hosting Regionals	06/01/09 10:18 AM	TitanCzar
West Coast Regions	06/01/09 10:44 AM	SocalBrett
Regional Worth WC Schools	06/01/09 11:10 AM	TitanCzar
Regional Worth WC Schools	06/01/09 11:20 AM	TitanMike
Dave is absolutely right	06/01/09 11:29 AM	Nacho Man.ucsbgauchos
West Coast Regions	06/01/09 11:11 AM	TitanMike
Re: No More Hosting Regionals	06/01/09 12:18 PM	Zot95
Re: No More Hosting Regionals	06/01/09 1:01 PM	Vit D
Re: No More Hosting Regionals	06/01/09 2:31 PM	FullertonBaseballFan
Re: No More Hosting Regionals	06/01/09 7:06 PM	Towknie
Re: No More Hosting Regionals	06/02/09 8:48 AM	gauchoadam