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TitanCzar

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08/24/09 5:17 PM

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http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/9954616/Top-transfers-for-2009-10-season

Top mid-major transfers

1. Drew Viney, 6-7, 210, F, Soph., Loyola Marymount: He missed most of his freshman season at Oregon but will be a star in the West Coast Conference for Max Good.

2. Todd O'Brien, 6-11, 230, PF, Soph., Saint Joseph's: He averaged 4.6 points and 4.3 boards as a freshman at Bucknell.

3. Shamari Spears, 6-6, 240, BF, Soph., Charlotte: He was third on Boston College's team in scoring as a sophomore.

4. Sean Carter, UMass, 6-9, 225, C, Soph., UMass: He started nine games as a freshman at Oregon State and will fill a need down low for the Minutemen.

5. Armon Bassett, 6-2, 180, G, Jr., Ohio: He was basically booted out of Indiana and UAB, but he gets another chance for John Groce at the mid-major level.

6. Tyrone Shelley, 6-6, 220, G, Soph., San Diego State: He's a big, strong guard who averaged a team-high 15.1 points at Pepperdine as a freshman.

7. Steffan Johnson, 6-1, 170, PG, Sr., Idaho: He left Pacific due to an off-the-court incident and should step right in and be a major impact guy at Idaho.

8. Orlando Johnson, 6-5, 205, G, Soph., UC Santa Barbara: He led Loyola Marymount in both scoring and rebounding as a freshman.

9. Xavier Silas, 6-5, 200, G, Jr., Northern Illinois: He averaged 9.7 points his sophomore year at University of Colorado. He followed his former coach, Ricardo Patton.

10. Denzel Bowles, 6-9, 250, F, Soph., James Madison: He barely played in his redshirt freshman season at Texas A&M, but he returns closer to home and should be a standout for Matt Brady.

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08/26/09 9:30 AM

Steffan's role at Idaho will be interesting to follow. With Mac Hopson an established stud in their program it would be difficult for Steffan to beat him out for a starting position. Hopefully Johnson has matured since his UOP days and won't create such a toxic locker room for the Vandals.

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08/26/09 1:17 PM

If he is so toxic, why did Thomason recruit him in the first place?

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08/26/09 1:24 PM

I'd say it was a misjudgement in character. Character is probably one of the hardest things to assess when looking at a recruit. You hope that you can properly assess how a kid will act in your program but when they get into college and get some "freedom" of their own they may become a type of person that you didn't expect.

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Wishing Steffan the best

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08/27/09 9:27 AM

Just to defend the coaching staff at UOP, Johnson clearly made some bad decisions and if anyone can show me a coach who can control his players 100 percent of the time, it'll be the first time in history. Coach T rarely misses on guys from a character standpoint. Talent, sometimes, but rarely character. Johnson will be a nice fit at Idaho, and I doubt he'll have to battle Hopson for a starting spot. They could play together and be dangerous. If he'll accept the facilitator role, Johnson might be a perfect complement to Hopson. I wish him well.

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08/27/09 10:20 AM

ccuop99 wrote:
Just to defend the coaching staff at UOP, Johnson clearly made some bad decisions and if anyone can show me a coach who can control his players 100 percent of the time, it'll be the first time in history. Coach T rarely misses on guys from a character standpoint. Talent, sometimes, but rarely character. Johnson will be a nice fit at Idaho, and I doubt he'll have to battle Hopson for a starting spot. They could play together and be dangerous. If he'll accept the facilitator role, Johnson might be a perfect complement to Hopson. I wish him well.

Well before making Coach T a saint, he did miss on two other guys, who were kicked off in addition to Johnson.

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08/31/09 4:35 PM

Since TC goes to great pains to correct everyone else, it might as well be known that the other two players he refers to were Michael Kirby and Michael Nunnally. Kirby was suspended for the first semester of the season and returned on Dec. 20 to lead the team at the starting PG spot. Nunnally was suspended for a season and will be back this season -- his senior campaign. They couldn't possibly have been kicked off if they were welcomed back.

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08/31/09 5:26 PM

You again overlook the fact that BT missed on the character of all THREE players. One who was kicked off the team. The other two guys suspended. Semantics

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09/03/09 10:18 AM

TitanCzar wrote:
Well before making Coach T a saint, he did miss on two other guys, who were kicked off in addition to Johnson.

And many years ago (at Pacific), Coach Thomason brought in a player (from another BWC school no less) who was kicked off that team for running afoul of the law. So that wasn't even misjudgment, but knowingly bringing someone on with character issues.

Not trying to say that Coach is bad guy at all... just agreeing with TC, not sure I see him as necessarily a standard bearer for character.

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09/03/09 10:30 AM

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I assume you are referring to Clay McKnight, what did he do?

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09/03/09 11:03 AM

Listen, I'm not making Coach T a saint at all. Before last offseason, I was of the opinion that off-the-court issues just did not happen at Pacific. I was so naive, but that kind of stuff happens everywhere, But before we crucify Coach T, let's just remember he's rarely made a mis-step on the recruiting trail. So you haters need to pump your brakes.

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09/03/09 11:33 AM

ccuop99 wrote:
Listen, I'm not making Coach T a saint at all. Before last offseason, I was of the opinion that off-the-court issues just did not happen at Pacific. I was so naive, but that kind of stuff happens everywhere, But before we crucify Coach T, let's just remember he's rarely made a mis-step on the recruiting trail. So you haters need to pump your brakes.

Give me a break and get over your tissue thin skin. He just made three. And many players including the player you say is the best athlete at UOP, and by your own admission hasn't developed/reached his potential.

Yes, you are very naive to think BT was perfect in judge player's character. I give coaches the benefit of the doubt, if they have a good track record. Notice I rip Bras a hell of a lot more than I do BT.

If you got over your tissue thin skin, you would notice I'm stating fact, three players were kicked off the team last year. One player was allowed back last year, one will be allowed back this year and one is now at Idaho.

But please continue worshipping BT at the shrine you made for him.

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09/03/09 12:35 PM

Coach T is the best coach in the BW. Period. Has the track record, has the hardware. Until someone else comes along, it's not even up for discussion. I'll be the first to say that Monson could be THE Man, but he's got to prove it first. Not sure why I have "tissue-thin" skin just because I stand by my school's coach. I'm sure almost anyone on this board would do the same.

And for the record, one player was kicked off the team, two were suspended. Call it semantics if you want, but everyone on this board knows "Semantics" is your middle name.

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09/04/09 1:54 PM

Thomason has been the creme de la creme of BWc coaches for 10 years. I think we'll see Monson and Wollridge JOIN him which is good for the BWC and bad for the likes of Williams, Douglas, Burton, Stewart, the new guy at Poly and Braswell. Bras will continue to get kids with 'spotty' personal records, but he wants to do that and he will stay coaching the Dors. I'm looking forward to better basketball in the BWC over the next few years.

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09/07/09 3:43 PM

I personally think Bras is under-rated. Lets face it CSN has really poor facilities, virtually no school support and he continually puts competitive teams on the court. IMHO he is the best defensive coach in the league- though Wooly at UCR is close. And if you are talking solid Coaches, I think Burton has done an outstanding job, again at a school with poor facilities and spotty support. And Williams deserves his knock because he seems unable to get his club over the hump and into the postseason- but he has recruited real well the last couple years and looks poised for a good run at it the next 2-3 years.

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09/07/09 3:57 PM

Coaching involves more things than game day coaching. Braswell with his long history of problem players and wh-oring himself and bringing them back, needs to be called out on that. I'll admit that Braswell, due to lack of facilities needs to take chances on kids. It's not like he has the cream of the crop guys. But how he handles off court situations is terrible.

As for Burton he does deserve credit for improving CSF. But even you Sparky have ripped his ACC scheduling. With that type of scheduling he should win 18-20 games. Check his record vs non conf teams with a winning record, it is terrible. He failed last year, even with a weak schedule. I don't want to hear he played Wake, LSU, etc he also played sorry teams including Montana St and Texas St.

Williams is the most under achieving coach in the BW. PD is second. Both need to go but I doubt if the AD's at both schools will get rid of them.

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09/07/09 4:42 PM

TitanCzar wrote:

Coaching involves more things than game day coaching. Braswell with his long history of problem players and wh-oring himself and bringing them back, needs to be called out on that. I'll admit that Braswell, due to lack of facilities needs to take chances on kids. It's not like he has the cream of the crop guys. But how he handles off court situations is terrible.

As for Burton he does deserve credit for improving CSF. But even you Sparky have ripped his ACC scheduling. With that type of scheduling he should win 18-20 games. Check his record vs non conf teams with a winning record, it is terrible. He failed last year, even with a weak schedule. I don't want to hear he played Wake, LSU, etc he also played sorry teams including Montana St and Texas St.

Williams is the most under achieving coach in the BW. PD is second. Both need to go but I doubt if the AD's at both schools will get rid of them.

I agree that Williams has underachieved, but I also think his current crop of players is very good. If he cannot get over the hump in the next couple years, he probably never will. Hopefully LB will keep him from ever seeing postseason. IMHO, I think SB has as good of a chance to win the BW this season as anyone. I think perhaps you overstate Bras' culpability. I think his choice is to either take a chance on some kids who may have problems or forget about being competetive. None of the kids involved in last years problem ever saw the court after the arrest. And with Burton, he deserves his knocks about scheduling; still, he took over a program that had struggled for about a decade, the Titans still have trouble drawing more than a thousand fans to a game, no Fullerton fan I have ever met thinks the administration gives a whit about athletics- and still he competes year in and out. This season I think Fullerton has its deepest team in a very long time, though it may take a year for them to come together, they cannot be over-looked.

In my biased view, I wouldn't trade Monson for any other Coach in the league. Thommasson and Wooldridge are really solid coaches who are not far behind Monson. Bras and Burton are good coaches whom I respect, Williams and Douglas both have their good points, but I would agree they have both underachieved. I am somewhat undecided on the Davis guy- they were far too talented last year to end up 8th, and I have no clue about the new Poly Coach.

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09/07/09 5:06 PM

Yes, none of the players saw the court after their crime but that call was made by higher ups at CSN.

Bras allowed them to practice!!! Would you allow players who were arrested to practice?

And Bras' history shows he has allowed almost every player he suspended back onto the team, usually right before the BWT.

When JR was arrested, he wasn't allowed to practice. He was kicked off the team, then reinstated later after he case was settled. I didn't agree with allowing him back that season, but he rarely if ever played.

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Mid Major Transfers	08/24/09 5:17 PM	TitanCzar
Re: Mid Major Transfers	08/26/09 9:30 AM	Pacificness
Re: Mid Major Transfers	08/26/09 1:17 PM	Toteda
Re: Mid Major Transfers	08/26/09 1:24 PM	Pacificness
Wishing Steffan the best	08/27/09 9:27 AM	ccuop99
Re: Mid Major Transfers	08/27/09 10:20 AM	TitanCzar
Suspended	08/31/09 4:35 PM	ccuop99
Re: Mid Major Transfers	08/31/09 5:26 PM	TitanCzar
Re: Mid Major Transfers	09/03/09 10:18 AM	Zot95
Re: Mid Major Transfers	09/03/09 10:30 AM	nojnotslar
Saint Thomason	09/03/09 11:03 AM	ccuop99
Re: Mid Major Transfers	09/03/09 11:33 AM	TitanCzar
Will do	09/03/09 12:35 PM	ccuop99
Re: Mid Major Transfers	09/04/09 1:54 PM	Toteda
Coaches	09/07/09 3:43 PM	ZSparky
Re: Mid Major Transfers	09/07/09 3:57 PM	TitanCzar
Coaches	09/07/09 4:42 PM	ZSparky
Re: Mid Major Transfers	09/07/09 5:06 PM	TitanCzar

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